Bandera de Sant Jordi al Regne Unit

Assumpte: Bandera de Sant Jordi al Regne Unit Dl Jun 16, 2008 5:18 pm

Un jove conductor britànic, Ben Smith, s'ha vist prohibir, sota pena de multa, arborar sobre la platja darrere del seu cotxe una bandera adornada de la creu de Sant Georges, ja que «allò podia ser considerat com un racisme contra els immigrants»

Font: Faits&Documents núm. 257 del 15 al 30 de juny del 2008

Assumpte: Re: Bandera de Sant Jordi al Regne Unit Dl Jun 16, 2008 5:19 pm

el què faltava..... ara hem de ser curosos amb els immigrants..
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Assumpte: Re: Bandera de Sant Jordi al Regne Unit Dl Jun 16, 2008 5:31 pm

He trobat la notícia en anglès. Pels que en sabeu una mica, us la penjo. Crec que més aviat és un excés de zel per part del policia.
http://theopinionator.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/05/recently-ben-sm.html

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ENGLISH CROSS OF ST GEORGE FLAG DEEMED OFFENSIVE TO MUSLIMS

Recently, Ben Smith, an English football fan, decided to show his team support by displaying the flag of England - the red St. George's Cross - on his car. Mr. Smith was pulled over by police on a routine traffic stop but the gist of the stop was far from "routine" --- or is it?

Ben was stunned to be told by the policeman that his Flag of England was racist and "offensive to immigrants" and that he would be fined $60 if he refused to remove it from view.

"Mr Smith, of Melksham, Wiltshire, said: “I honestly could not believe what the police officer was saying. “He wasn’t rude about it at all. He was just very matter-of-fact about the flag being racist and offensive to immigrants.” Mr Smith, an avid England football fan, said he used the flag to cover up a new set of speakers, which he wanted to hide from would-be thieves He said: “I just thought he was joking and started to laugh, but he looked at me very seriously and said that I would have to pay a £30 on-the-spot fine if I refused. “It was really strange and I drove home quite shocked.”

Upon further question as to why and when the display of the English flag IN ENGLAND - became a racist act - the police spokespersons stumbled through a few lame excuses:

1 - It could be viewed as an "inflammatory act - citing Polish immigrants might be offended?? Highly unlikely the predominantly Catholic Polish would find a cross offensive.

2 - The officer asked Mr. Smith to remove the flag as an issue of "road safety" - the officer rationalized "Road safety and the ability to have a clear view at all times of what is behind you is of great public importance." Oddly enough there is no log of Mr Smith being stopped indicating there was nothing wrong with his car.

So what groups of immigrants is consistently offended by the Cross of St George - and what group would demand such pandering to their religious beliefs? Why muslims - of course. Muslims have made an issue - worldwide - of crosses being offensive to them -- here are just a few instances:

Turkish lawyer files complaint with Union of European Football Associations stating that the Inter Milan's team shirts consists of a big red cross on a white background. This has apparently reminded the Turks of an emblem of the order of the Templars, which is therefore deemed offensive to Muslims. The cross is the emblem of Milan

Hospital bans traditional Easter Hot Cross Buns = offensive to non=Christians ie: muslims.

Cross banned from chapel after being in the chapel for over 60 years --at the College of William and Mary in Virginia, USA - offends muslims.

Cross of St George is also used by Barcelona football team from Spain - on their badge - similar to the Inter-Milan incident it was deemed racist and offensive to muslims. Many muslim nations are altering the Barcelona shirts so it will not look like a cross.

These are just a few of the assaults made against the any representation of the Christian cross by muslims. A brief search of the web will find many more. Clearly muslims are working towards incrementally forcing the eradication of the Christian cross from any public view. With the help of such pandering, multicultural worshipping, politically correct dhimmis - including the British police - muslims may very well succeed.

entire article - emphasis mine:

POLICE TOLD FAN TO HIDE "RACIST" ST GEORGE FLAG

by Martin Evans

A football fan says police ordered him to remove an England flag from his car – because it could be deemed racist.

Ben Smith, 18, was pulled over for a routine spot check by an officer who inspected his tyres and road tax.

But the labourer was stunned to be told that a St George flag covering his Vauxhall Corsa’s parcel shelf was offensive to immigrants.

He initially thought the officer was joking until he was threatened with a £30 fine if he refused to remove it from view

Mr Smith, of Melksham, Wiltshire, said: “I honestly could not believe what the police officer was saying.

“He wasn’t rude about it at all. He was just very matter-of-fact about the flag being racist and offensive to immigrants.”

Mr Smith, an avid England football fan, said he used the flag to cover up a new set of speakers, which he wanted to hide from would-be thieves

He said: “I just thought he was joking and started to laugh, but he looked at me very seriously and said that I would have to pay a £30 on-the-spot fine if I refused.

“It was really strange and I drove home quite shocked.”

Tory MP Philip Davies, who campaigns against political correctness, said: “If this is the case then it is disgusting and totally outrageous and the policeman ought to be ashamed of himself.

“How on earth can it be racist to fly your own flag in your own country?

“It is this sort of politically-correct thinking that has helped to create the problems we have today. I would like to see the Association of Chief Police Officers make it clear that anyone flying the Union Flag or the flag of St George will not be prosecuted.”

PC Dave Cooper, of Wiltshire Police, could not confirm details of the incident as it had not been logged.

But he admitted there might be situations where a police officer considered the displaying of a flag as an inflammatory act.

He said: “It all depends on the context. If they are going past a lot of Polish people, for instance, and abusing them, then we possibly would ask them to take the flag down.”

He said the officer involved in the incident could have been based anywhere in Wiltshire. The fact there was no log of Mr Smith being stopped indicated there was nothing wrong with his car.

But Chief Inspector Charlie Dibble, of Wiltshire Police, believed the issue was more likely to be one of road safety.

He said: “The officer asked him to remove the flag from his parcel shelf, where he admits it was covering his speakers.

“Road safety and the ability to have a clear view at all times of what is behind you is of great public importance.

“Officers are encouraged to take positive action in this regard and this would apply if there was any object obscuring the driver’s view.”
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Que tremoli l'enemic
en veient la nostra ensenya:
com fem caure espigues d'or,
quan convé seguem cadenes!

Assumpte: Re: Bandera de Sant Jordi al Regne Unit Dl Jun 16, 2008 7:57 pm

Casundena, el que faltava... Shocked

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Oficial d'Estat Major Registrat : 21 Oct 2007 Missatges : 534

Assumpte: Re: Bandera de Sant Jordi al Regne Unit Dl Jun 16, 2008 8:43 pm

Primer l'escut del barça! i ara a englaterra proibeixen l'exibicio de creu de sant jordi!! Al final acavarem parlant tots arab!

Cap d'Escamots Registrat : 08 Jun 2008 Missatges : 130

Ei companys!

Pero la bandera de inglatera, es quasi be o igual

no?

Be donsc cada vegada estem fotent mes normes i prohibicions mes estupides! ccc

Assumpte: Re: Bandera de Sant Jordi al Regne Unit Dl Jun 16, 2008 11:11 pm

Ara que haurem de dir? Que la mitja lluna resulta ofensiva? Que les seves mesquites resulten ofensives? Aau va home...!

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Assumpte: Re: Bandera de Sant Jordi al Regne Unit Dl Jun 16, 2008 11:16 pm

Assumpte: Re: Bandera de Sant Jordi al Regne Unit Dt Jun 17, 2008 12:37 am

Les lleis angleses no crec que siguen tan "antiangleses". Supose que serà un fet puntual provocat per algun número de la policia una mica "torracollons". A vegades s'aixequen amb una norma en el cap i van tot el dia aplicant-la sense mirar altra cosa més.

Respecte l'escut del Barça, ja va ser comentat el fet que es comercialitzara en alguns països musulmans, amb una "lleugera" modificació:

http://estat-catala.editboard.com/forum-general-d-estat-catala-f1/els-moros-redissenyen-l-escut-del-barca-t3524.htm?highlight=escut+del+bar%e7a
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Que tremoli l'enemic
en veient la nostra ensenya:
com fem caure espigues d'or,
quan convé seguem cadenes!

Cap d'Escamots Registrat : 01 Mar 2008 Missatges : 270

Assumpte: Re: Bandera de Sant Jordi al Regne Unit Dt Jun 17, 2008 11:30 am

El que passa es que Anglaterra, als anys 80 i mitjans del 70 va sofrir una gran quantitat d'atacs racistes, inclús assassinats, i tots eren recolzats pel Partit Nacionalista Anglès, i el Front Nacional, que eren partits clarament racistes i usaven la bandera anglesa (la creu de Sant Jordi). Per això la gent allà ha anat relacionant la bandera amb el racisme

Assumpte: Re: Bandera de Sant Jordi al Regne Unit Dt Jun 17, 2008 5:31 pm

ja veig que he obert la caixa dels trons...... que potser ells (la majoria) són respectuosos amb la llengua i cultura catalanes???
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Assumpte: Re: Bandera de Sant Jordi al Regne Unit Dt Jun 17, 2008 7:17 pm

Assumpte: Re: Bandera de Sant Jordi al Regne Unit Dt Jun 17, 2008 7:37 pm

a veure..... canvieu immigrant africà, de l'est, del marroc o sudamericà (es diu així oi pq els multicultis que volten per aquí no s'enfadin o sigui políticament correcte?) per immigrant espanyol..... ai caram! ara això no és racisme! per què? perquè us considereu de la mateixa raça que els espanyols?

vinga, no em feu riure, jo puc tenir el mateix odi cap a un moro que vosaltres a un espanyol, no sé si m'enteneu.... o si m'explico.
apa, carregueu el pap i vomiteu-lo aquí sota.... vaig a comprar un paraigües de mentres......
salut companys, i no us ho preneu malament, només vull que vegeu 2 punts en una mateixa línia.
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Assumpte: Re: Bandera de Sant Jordi al Regne Unit Dt Jun 17, 2008 8:25 pm

Praetorian, no crec que puguem parlar de "raça" com a tret diferencial entre els catalans i els españols. Si per raça et refereixes al físic de la persona, entre catalans i castellans no n'hi han (vale, els catalans som més guapos

). Des dels romans que Catalunya ha estat una terra de pas de un colló de civilitzacions, que si més nòrdics, àrabs ... i la mateixa gent que va conquerir catalunya també va conquerir castella. A més a més, has de tenir en compte que ara gran part dels habitants de Catalunya són fills de catalans i castellans.

I a més, tota aquesta gent, els inmigrants, ens agradi o no, ara viuen aquí, i fins que no es "catalanitzin", la nostra feina ( o almenys això crec) és seduir-los, no d'odiar-los, perque s'integrin a la catalana, o a l'española. I utilitzar paraules com raça, amb totes les connotacions pejoratives que comporta no ajuda gens.
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"No captem el dret de viure (dret que no es compra ni es ven)
poble que mereix ser lliure, si no l'hi donen, se'l pren"
Jaume Collel

Oficial d'Estat Major Registrat : 21 Oct 2007 Missatges : 534

A veure,en la meva opinió ningú és racista per naturalesa.Tothom veu en altre races curiositat,interés,simpaties,etc.Ara bé,quan la gent d'altres llocs i races comença a ocupar i tenir certs privilegis sobre els autóctons,cony,surt la vena, diguem-ne "racista".Posem exemples?La reserva de places a les escoles,les targetes sanitàries,els llocs de treball,a precari,això sí,que ocupen,etc.La gent sent que se li pren el seu espai vital!!
Tothom diu que no és racista,però ningú vol llogar pisos a emigrans.Ningú vol tenir com a veí a musulmans o xinessos.
Calen polítiques d'integració i no paternalistes,doncs sembla que "ells" siguin els reis del mambo.I no sóc racista

Assumpte: Re: Bandera de Sant Jordi al Regne Unit Dt Jun 17, 2008 9:15 pm

He parlat amb una mica de mala llet per crear debat......
No busqueu 3 peus al gat;
- no m'agraden els immigrants de veïns.
- no m'agrada que sempre et diguin: en castellano, no entiendo, o no els dóna la gana (vegeu últim capítol succeït al Victor Alexandre).
- no m'agrada que tinguin més punts per accedir a la guarderia/escola (i no és demagògia: si vosaltrs catalans sou 2 amb 2 sous, i ells un sou, una dona i 4 fills, qui tindrà més punts?).
- no m'agrada que s'amparin sota el 'yo no entiendo' per colar-se als supermercats.
- no m'agrada que creïn els seus guetos.
- no m'agrada que la meva xicota ja no pugui anar sola pel barri vell de la meva ciutat.
- no m'agrada que els CAPs sempre estiguin plens de mores.
- etc....
si això és ser racista, doncs sí, SÓC RACISTA.
salut.
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Assumpte: Re: Bandera de Sant Jordi al Regne Unit Dt Jun 17, 2008 10:10 pm

Assumpte: Re: Bandera de Sant Jordi al Regne Unit Dt Jun 17, 2008 10:21 pm

En això us he de donar la raó, perquè a mi també em toca molt els co..ons que els immigrants tinguin, pel fet de ser estrangers, una sèrie d'avantatges. I també em fa molta ràbia aquesta gent que fa 50 anys que viu aquí i que et surten amb això de "no entiendo". Si la meva xicota apren el català i jo estic, amb lo garrul que sóc amb les llengües, estic aprenent basc (molt a poc a poc, però algo és algo), qui més qui menys pot aprendre a parlar català. I tampoc es tracta de ser uns Pompeus, sinó de xaporrejar-lo amb condicions.

Però el que volia dir abans és que tot això no ens pot fer caure en la demagògia, ni agafar mania als immigrants anticipadament per lo morenos que siguin.

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"No captem el dret de viure (dret que no es compra ni es ven)
poble que mereix ser lliure, si no l'hi donen, se'l pren"
Jaume Collel